Natalia Veselnitskaya, Astrosplained

Gentle reader,

I just watched the most amazing interview with Natalia Veselnitskaya, Russia’s answer to Nancy Grace.


For some reason as soon as this was over I had the overwhelming urge to watch Meryl Streep’s greatest movie, She Devil.  Weird.

she devil

I was about to Astrosplain Joseph DeAngelo, and got well into his chart actually, when I got interrupted.  Meanwhile the A students at have come up with birth times for his family members, too.  I will definitely need to do his mother, then his father and stepfather, before I will begin to know WTF happened there.  I’m not positioned to wallow that far into the mental health quagmire at this moment.  I need to keep the mood lighter.  And Natalia is the supervillain that I’ve been waiting for my whole life, so there’s that.

Natalia Veselnitskaya chartNatalia has the Sun in Pisces, conjunct the fixed star Fomalhaut and asteroid Pallas Athena.  Pisces is co-ruled by both Jupiter and Neptune, making those two the co-rulers overall.  However the Sun itself must be considered a third co-ruler, due to its location directly on Fomalhaut, one of the Royal Stars of Persia, and its placement within the grand trine, that big blue triangle.  Natalia is a big personality, noted to be charming even by people like me, who are fearful, repulsed, and intrigued all at the same time.  Like if Hannibal Lecter had tiny little plump feet in sculptural shoes.

The Sun with both Fomalhaut and Pallas combust, or obscured within the Sun’s enormous corona, is a good thumbnail sketch of Natalia.  There’s so much going on in this chart that I want to make sure this one crystal clear aspect gets mentioned, because hey, it’s the Sun, which is the center of the whole mission.  Fomalhaut is the Eye of the Fish.  Here it is in the constellation and as seen by the Hubble telescope, both from this interesting page.

If you think about the implications of this eye of great magnitude conjunct her Sun, so huge and bright that it can be seen from as far away as Fomalhaut is from us — wow.    Fomalhaut brings megawattage, clarity, and brilliance, a highly desirable star for an attorney.  Then Pallas Athena is hypermasculine, the Field Marshal who identifies patterns and creates strategies.  Look out, world.

It’s hard to know where to begin with this chart, there’s so much to tell.  I actually can’t help but love this woman just because she comes by her treachery so honestly, and it’s so masterful.  The Pisces Sun makes her easier inside than she would otherwise be, intuitive, and a little bit otherworldly.  Grand trines generally make people somewhat complacent or at least unaware of how gifted they are, believing incorrectly that others are equally capable.

I don’t see that being a big problem with Natalia for a few reasons, her Saturn/Moon/Sirius yod for one thing.  I know that kind of sounds like a $68 artisanal salad.  What I mean is that the Moon and Saturn are conjunct in the Moon’s home sign of Cancer, with a yod, which I’ll get to.  The Moon is arguably as empowered as the Sun here, and arguably a fourth leader, creating a feminine flair to help balance the ugly male energy of Saturn, the Greater Malefic, and the hypermasculine quality of Pallas combust.   For one thing the Moon loves being in Cancer, where she is the boss.  This would tend to give a certain fluidity of moods, and a person who is in good command of their intuition, who may appear very nurturing and supportive sometimes, definitely has that in her.  Natalia’s charm lies in her ability to meet others at their emotional level, like water.  She can read people.  She can get under your skin.

Then the yod is that green dashed V.  It’s something of an internal switch, wherein one planet (pair of planets here) acts like a knuckle on a hand, with the finger going from one planet to another, back and forth, redirecting the energies in a vacillating circuit.  Here the Moon and Saturn, joined at the hip, go back and forth between Mercury/Vesta and what I will just call the Neptune Kerfuffle for now.  The Moon and Saturn are quite prominent, conjunct Sirius the Dog Star.  Neptune is a co-ruler, and I’m starting to think there can’t be much of a hierarchy in this chart because it’s all so finely-tuned.  The yod is certainly essential to this native’s operation, an ability to reroute her personal energies internally.

It’s important to note that the Saturn Moon casts a note of pessimism and depression over the entire chart, like a rain cloud.  The weather is always Seattle in Natalia’s heart.   Cancer is always backward-looking, and thus prone to dwelling on loss.  There’s a certain nihilism I’ve seen in Russians sometimes, a deep and very pragmatic cynicism.

Being Irish, [or having Saturn Moon] he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy. — W.B. Yeats

My Saturn Moon is in Pisces, so only slightly less moody than Natalia’s.  It keeps me able to shed tears at any moment, and able to switch emotional gears at a speed that freaks people out sometimes.  Natalia can probably do the extreme highs and lows with great fluidity.  I would encourage Natalia to follow my lead and avoid alcohol as much as possible.  It would be very easy for her to get paranoid or in her cups — a laughing, stripping, crying, singing, angry drunk like Ronny Jackson.

I suspect Natalia uses that Saturn to control the urge to imbibe.  I’m not saying that she doesn’t drink, even to excess, just that she makes sure it doesn’t become a problem in her life, that she never gets messy.  This is a very controlled woman, with significant personal resources.  Natalia is gifted in many ways.

Back to the Neptune Kerfuffle.  Natalia has Neptune, her connection to her higher self, conjunct a bunch of prickly things.  The main one of course would be the demon pit Antares.  That’s actually a huge red flag in any chart.  Now it could be that such a person is very much focused on battling their demons, anything can be used positively.  Let me quote someone else on Antares for a switch:

Fixed star Antares is of the nature of Mars and Jupiter. It causes malevolence, destructiveness, liberality, broad-mindedness, evil presages and danger of fatality and makes its natives rash, ravenous, headstrong and destructive to themselves by their own obstinacy.

Agrippa1531 corScorpii.png  Antares is one of the 15 Behenian Fixed Stars. Its image is a man armed with a coat of mail, or a scorpion. It gives  understanding and memory, help against evil spirits, and the power of driving them away and binding them. Rules sardonyx, amethyst, long aristolochy and saffron. [1]

Antares in the constellation of Scorpio is, as its name Ant-ares says, of Martian nature, but to this Mars nature, powers of Mercury, Jupiter and also Saturn are added. Antares makes people tough, belligerent and pugnacious. This is an important star for military personnel and is said to convey mental alertness, strategic ability and courage and to make daredevils, especially if tied up with the Midheaven, Ascendant, Sun or Jupiter.

Toro the Raging Bull is there too, which makes this unlikely to be a highly evolved configuration.  Toro is about snapping, seeing red and charging like an animal.  It’s not about rolling up your sleeves and working hard all your life to slay every demon.  Especially with the trine and the voltage from Fomalhaut and Pallas, I would expect Natalia is more of a commander of demons, one who can quickly raise a legion.

Last but not least the North Node is there, making this a perfected spot, underscoring the blood-chilling thought above.  Neptune being one of the co-rulers of the Sun, this is a very sensitive point in this chart.  Natalia did not come here to make friends.   When Neptune is compromised in any way, as it is in conjunction to Antares, anything can go wrong with the native’s integrity.  It could be lies, narcissism, substance abuse, manipulation, really a host of issues come into play when someone is not able to hear (or listen to) the wisest voice in their head for whatever reason.  Like Ayn Rand, this appears to be one who chose this very negative set of circumstances very deliberately.   I think Natalia is a highly evolved and very negative individual, like Erik Prince for another example.  There is a high degree of organization, high-level circuitry, and star power, and it’s configured in a way that will be very, very difficult to use for positive ends.

Natalia certainly doesn’t have a problem tuning into her higher self.  She has the Sirius contact and Fomalhaut, that sends her to the head of the class.   But her moral compass may have an off switch.  The yod could serve as a sort of internal escape hatch to avoid dealing with things you don’t like.  You shift focus, redirect, misdirect.  Especially with a bad Neptune like this.  With the high-wattage fixed stars (including Antares, which is the negative mirror image of Archangel Michael’s star Aldebaran) this person does nothing by half measures.  She’s intellectually gifted.  But her shiftiness is a superpower.  That and her intuition and manipulation.

Jupiter and Venus are both in the last few degrees of Pisces here, where anything goes.  If you think about the zodiac as a life, 1 Aries is a brand new baby kicking and screaming.  Then 29 Pisces is an old person who has seen it all.  The senior may still be fighting and struggling with their life, but it will surely be in a different and more informed way than the infant, if that makes sense.  The contrast with Aries is important because of Ceres the Earth Mother, who is conjunct both Jupiter and Venus, but in the beginning of Aries.  So these three influences are entirely bound up together, and are quite disjointed, not an easy fit.

Jupiter represents the government, and especially in Russia where the government is so pervasive and unchallenged.  Jupiter and Saturn can both be seen as the big “they,” in one context, the ones who giveth and taketh away.   Then Venus is about our connections to other people, how we love and are loved, who we know.   Ceres the Earth Mother is the one who charged into hell to rescue her daughter Persephone from Pluto the Rapist.  She takes no shit from nobody, especially at the beginning of Aries.   I see those three influences saying one very clear thing:  Natalia had a very aggressive, very jaded mother, one who made it her business to make the connections that would position her daughter well.  Natalia is exactly who her mother made her.  Her mother would not have been subtle about her aggression.

I see Mercury and Vesta the True Believer are conjunct in Aquarius.  That further underscores the above, about the way certain ideas about society and how things work were cooked into the sauce with Natalia.  Vesta the True Believer is what we would kill or die for, that which we hold most sacred, the line we will not allow to be crossed.  Mercury is the conscious mind, the thoughts and words.  Aquarius, co-ruled by Saturn and Uranus, is not easy to relate to on a personal level.  Remember that Natalia has that Moon situation, with Saturn in Cancer.  So this is a very moody and deeply felt woman, whose feelings are generally quite cold and sour.  Then Mercury and Vesta are ruled by that soggy Cancer Saturn, in a way that detaches the native.  She deals with the negative view of life, the world, and other people by compartmentalizing.  I’d be amazed if she weren’t a person who believes anything goes just because of all the horrible things other people do.

Lastly, the other bit of business in Aries:  Juno, Dejanira the Victim, and Chiron.  This is not very sparkly IMHO.  It suggests to me that Natalia could end up being victimized by her associates.  Remember that Ceres the Earth Mother was conjunct both Jupiter and Venus, the Greater and Lesser Benefics.  But those two were both in wise, mellow Pisces, co-ruled by Jupiter.  Jupiter the Boss Man on his own turf.

The Earth Mother in early Aries is in a much tougher position.  Aries is not a maternal sign for one thing, ruled by the God of War.  Ceres is at a great disadvantage in that conjunction, maybe like a useful idiot whose rage can be harnessed.  Jupiter and Venus are both quick to use other people when it suits them.

So later in Aries when I see Juno the Spouse conjunct Dejanira the Victim, that fairly screams of a domestic violence victim.  Which if you think about the adorable little fiend I’ve described so far, that may seem unlikely.  But no, she’s tiny.  A mentally strong, physically small woman is in grave danger IMHO, especially if she’s half as aggressive as Natalia.

The presence of Chiron here does not bode well either, I don’t think.   Chiron the Wounded Healer is about picking up the pieces and moving on, learning from the School of Hard Knocks, mellowing out, and being a leader.  Unless the native chooses not to do any of that.  Then they can just carry on pushing their own negativity forward long past the point of self-destruction.  Remember that Chiron is a fragment of the planet Maldek, long ago destroyed by the aggression of its inhabitants.  There’s a lot of that still going on, seen in the charts of people like Wayne LaPierre, for example.  The world is still full of people who don’t know when to bury the hatchet.  And that can definitely get you killed.

So yes, I’m saying Natalia may end up being killed by her partner(s).  As I discussed with Roger Stone and Paul Manafort, Juno the Spouse can be the literal spouse, or it can be one with whom you have the most intimate, ongoing bond.  It’s the first person you think to text when something important happens.  So in this chart it could very well represent her spymasters, one of whom she may very well also be married to.

Good lucky, tiny terror.


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